Never let students make flyers!

topic posted Sat, April 12, 2008 - 1:39 PM by  Zahira
I had produced my first show. I was the headlining dancer. One of my girls says she will make flyers. So I let her as long as I saw them first. She made the flyer with HERSELF as the main picture, then you barely see me and four other girls, so small you cannot see it. We were blurry and I also didnt like the words she chose on them either!!! I am so irrate right now! How do I handle her? I dont want to be mean. She is young, sensitive and still kinda new to this community. Should I cut her a break? Or should I say..."HELL NO!!!"? She sent them to me via email and I immediately said, "this will not work. We already have flyers." But she continued to complain that her husband printed 350 copies already and that he would be mad at her if she had to throw them away. Help????
posted by:
Zahira
Maryland
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Sat, April 12, 2008 - 1:45 PM
    You told her you wanted to see them first. It's too bad that they printed them already, but you didn't approve them. Basic graphic design 101. If the pics are blurry you don't use them!
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Sat, April 12, 2008 - 2:47 PM
    Marta is right - if you are headliner and asked for a proof and she didn't do it, oh well... Plus, if you are featured and the language is off/questionable, it will reflect on you and not her. As student, she needs to remember this; remind her to rely on your expertise as instructor, your experience, etc. not trying to be mean but upholding the professionalism and image. Why would someone print all those copies without approval? If you are paying for flyers, this one was not *your* job - did he make them?
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Sat, April 12, 2008 - 3:45 PM
    How bad is the wording?

    I would make sure that she knows that you appreciated her effort but this is why you wanted to review the fliers ahead of time. If it's a money issue, I'd offer to pay part of the cost of a reprint that you approved. If she still insists on using her flier, I'd tell her that it isn't what you want, thank her, and make your own flier

    I personally think she might have an ego issue if she thought it was appropriate to stick herself as the focus.
    • Re: Never let students make flyers!

      Sat, April 12, 2008 - 9:38 PM
      I don't know the person - obviously - but it sounds kind of manipulative to me. "Oh, we have to use the fliers with ME pictured on them because my husband already printed 350 and he'd be mad if we had to throw them away." Don't be mean, but explain that you asked for a proof copy first and didn't get one. Tell her that it is traditional to feature a picture of the headliner on the flier and that revised wording might better reflect the essence of the event. Tell her that you sincerely appreciate her efforts and are sorry for any unfortunate misunderstanding.
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Sun, April 13, 2008 - 6:54 AM
    What an awkward sticky situation! But I think that was pretty inconsiderate AND manipulative of her. You told her that you wanted to approve them before printing and if she took the ball and ran with it, that's on her not you. Tell her you appreciate her effort but it isn't what you want and you would be willing to get her input on some other flyers that YOU design. As far as the angry husband, that really isn't your concern, you have a show to produce!
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Sun, April 13, 2008 - 7:48 AM
    I agree with all the ladies so far. I made a similar mistake of letting my boyfriend make fliers. The show producers were sickened by it, so I threw the copy away. And told the girls in the show how sorry I was and if I were the one designing the flier, it would have been perfect. I know who youre talking about, and she is still a newby and doesnt know any better. Seriously, people can be that thoughtless....not so much egotistical. Not her. She is insecure about her dancing, and to be honest, she should be as she is still NEW! So I dont think she was being a fame hog. I think she may have made the same mistake as me.....letting her man take control. Oh by the way, HIS excuse was, "YOU should be the main picture because YOURE the one printing the fliers AND you need to start promoting yourself."
    Lame excuse, but my man said the same kind of bullshit. And let me tell you, it caused turmoil, but then again, I never gave out any of those fliers, as I only made one to show the main dancer. And the words your student used, made the show look like a burlesque/risque event. "Hottest show girls out there, featuring, blah bklah blah." Yeah man, bad for business!
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:44 AM
    Absolutely:
    1) do NOT use them
    2) remind her that you needed to see a proof (if you were paying her...she'd still need to provide a proof before printing)
    3) do *not* care about her ass-hat excuss about 350 already being printed up or her boyfriend/hubby
    4) be prepared to make your own

    Do consider:
    1) if you have time...do a thumbnail of what you are looking for, supply her with the photos and verbiage you want and sit down with her to go over what you want. Give her a second change to make a professional flier. The design might not be her work but her husband's work...and she genuinely might want to help (even if she's got no backbone). - But ... do not use her original flier.
  • Re: Never let students make flyers!

    Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:23 PM
    I would change the title to "Always insist on final approval of any flyers before printing....and stick to it."...because there are students out there who make great flyers.

    And stick to it.

    Tell her there are reasons why you wouldn't use the flyers if they aren't up to par, give her a kind but honest critique, and stick to your guns. If it isn't promoting everyone well then the flyer is of no use.

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